Lamp workers found old Remy Martin Louis XIII decanter

This time one of our readers has a very special, hand made bottle. And it’s empty. Normally we only present full, ancient bottles – but let’s have a look at t his one.

The person is in need of some help with identifying a Louis XIII decanter he acquired.

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Decanter Louis XIII

Decanter Louis XIII

My wife and I are lamp workers so we are always on the look out for hand blown glass. We found a piece we know is very old . I have looked on the internet and I can identify it as a Remy Martin Louis XIII Decanter.

Bottle neck Louis XIII

Bottle neck Louis XIII

We feel this is possibly very old and possibly one of the early decanters due to the craftsmanship appearing to be of an older period. If you notice there are differences when compared to some of the 1930′s decanters .

Differences such as the  fleur de lis are not aligned as they are on newer decanters and appear to be of different sizes as if molded and hand cut ( the little dots around the fleur de lis). Also the bottom appears to have only the word “depose” on it.

bottom side of Louis XIII decanter

bottom side of Louis XIII decanter

The very bottom glass work of the decanter is different as well. It is not quite as refined and you can see where they cut the decanter off of the stick as they did in the early days. The top is also not of equal proportions as they are now , it appears to have been done more free hand . I hope the pictures are good enough for you to see what I am talking about. We really think this could possibly be from a very early time period .

We live in Indiana USA and are greatly intrigued about this decanter. We appreciate any help we can get and hope this is a very very early hand crafted decanter .

Thanks in advance for any comments and insights.

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30 Responses

#1 Stefan on Aug 11, 2010, says:

From 1874 till 1936 the Louis XIII decanter was made of ordinairy glass, after 1936 from Baccarat cristal. This decanter does not show the Baccarat marking and is therefore likely to be from the early period.

#2 Joe Brown on Aug 11, 2010, says:

We were also wanting to find out if there are very many of these bottles out there and also if anyone knows an approximate value on this. Thanks for the information. I do see the newer decanters are valued at an average of 300.00 usd empty . However I still as yet have found any photos or information on anything before the 1930 era. Are they really rare?

#3 Joe Brown on Aug 16, 2010, says:

Still having trouble finding photos of pre 1936 Louis XIII bottles . I find it odd that there aren’t any pictures of the really old glass bottles . If anyone has any pictures of super old Louis XIII can you please send them to me? I contacted Remy Martin in New York and the Ambassador said he has not seen one like it . He was forwarding the photos to his colleagues in Cognac . I did read that the original was donated to the Cluny Museum but still cannot find any photos. Thanks to everyone who has looked and I appreciate any information I get.

#4 Joe Brown on Sep 9, 2010, says:

I have been in contact with Remy Martin and the bottle is very old and rare. I have still yet to receive a date on the bottle and was told a value cannot be attached to this bottle. I do have a House in Paris that wishes to acquire the bottle from me . If anyone can assist in dating this bottle further please let me know .
Thanks for posting this on your website for us.

#5 Cognac Expert on Sep 10, 2010, says:

Joe, a pleasure to do help you. What kind of house in Paris, can you share that information?

Hope you are successful with your further research!

#6 joe brown on Sep 10, 2010, says:

I shouldn’t say exactly who it is just yet but it is a cognac house interested in acquiring the bottle . Anyone with more information or questions can email me at needfulllthings1967@gmail.com . I do have other pictures as well . If anyone has a photo of the one that I read was donated to the cluny museum I would love to see it . I have learned so much about the french history I find it so very very intersting ..

#7 Joe Brown on Oct 10, 2010, says:

More photos of the decanter can be seen on my facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=15475&id=100001254625320&l=7ef23df929 . The Remy Martin U.S Ambassador sent me an email stating you can buy these on Ebay for 40.00 usd to 300.00 usd . I have yet to see one this old anywhere on the internet and for sure the ones on Ebay are much much newer. I also cannot find any email addresses to contact Remy Martin in Cognac directly . I know for sure there will not be a decanter of this age on Ebay lol. If anyone has some information that can help me it would be greatly appreciated . I have sent a final offer to Remy Martin (via the US Ambassador Mr Brabant) . If they decline I will open it up for sale to private collectors. I have also contacted several Auction Houses in Europe for appraisals.

#8 Cognac Expert on Oct 10, 2010, says:

40 USD? That would be a bit harsh, right?

All the best for opening it up for sale to private collectors! Please keep us up to date what happens…

#9 Joe Brown on Oct 13, 2010, says:

I have seen on Ebay where a some of the newer decanters did sell for the prices mentioned above. However I have not found any photos anywhere or records of any decanter that appeared to be crafted like the one I have. I am trying to find people who may have old decanters in their collections whom could send a photo so we can determine an age of the decanter. I will keep gathering information and sending emails in search of a comparable decanter. Thanks again in advance for any information. This is a great website and I have read pretty much every article on it . Very very informative .

#10 Jack on Nov 30, 2010, says:

From your photo, the decanter made by glass not crystal and by hand. This typical shape (a bit round at bottom) may be made early 1930s.

#11 cindy on Dec 11, 2010, says:

While looking for info on my Remy Martin decanter I found this buzz on yours. I am now determining that mine must be very old. It seems to have the same characteristics. At first I was disheartened that it wasn’t Baccarat but now maybe that is better? It has the “depose” on it also. It has the top to it and it is in perfect condition. I would love to get some info on the worth of it. Thanks for any help I can get!

#12 James on Feb 21, 2011, says:

email me if you can pictures to xxxxx@xxx.xxx (Comment by Admin: Dear James, please make your offer here in this post, rather than posting your email address. Thank you for your understanding)
Thank you so much.

#13 James on Feb 21, 2011, says:

Hi Joe and Cindy,
What does you’r stoppers look like i have the same bottle but mine still has the cognac in it. I do not know if i have the stopper that goes with it or not. The one I have is plane and kind of round.

#14 Marilyn on Mar 25, 2011, says:

I have one that was on my mother’s dresser for a least 50 years. I always assumed she got it in the 1940′s – She was born in 1918 so it could be from the mid-late 30′s. The only other one I have ever seen was at the Nyack Street Fair in NY State at least 10 years ago & the vendor would not sell it to me after I expressed interestin it.

#15 Maggie Malone on Mar 31, 2011, says:

I have a Louie X111 empty bottle, with case, could you tell me the value, I realize the glass is baccarat crystal…….and I am very curious Thanks Maggie

#16 Marilyn on Apr 7, 2011, says:

I posted comment # 14 on 3/25/2001 – I forgot to mention that my bottle has the original stopper too!. Pleas contact me if anyone is interested in purchasing it. It looks like it belongs in a European museum.

#17 Carlos Verga on Jun 1, 2011, says:

Here’s a picture of a XIX century Louis XIII displayed at the National Glass Museum, Leerdam, Holland: http://tinyurl.com/5u352p8
Let me just add that the current Classic and Magnum decanters are handblown at Atlantis Cristal, Portugal. Only the opalin black decanters are still produced at Baccarat, France.

#18 Joe Brown on Sep 2, 2011, says:

Carlos thanks so much that bottle in the picture you linked to looks more closely to the age of my bottle so far. I do however think mine may be from the very beginning of the bottle making . The opening and neck look very similar to the craftsmanship but the fleur de lis seem to be better made in that picture you linked to from the museum . If you have any further information please contact me . I am trying to track down the oldest known image of a decanter. I am also placing mine for sale very very soon. I had a glass expert look at my decanter and he estimates it to be from aprox 1840 …

#19 Mjohnson09101@yahoo.com on Sep 10, 2011, says:

I saw this post and thought that I needed to respond. I have been a collector for many years. I have seen many of these baccarat and glass. The interesting thing is I have seen many variation *more than one would think). To be honest from the pictures I question this peace. I would go get it appraised by an Expert. Maybe the pictures are bad, but honestly the quality of the work does not look remy, and it isn’t 1840′s. I would say it was Made in the 1890s on. more likely the 30′s. It’s hard to tell from pictures, but the reason I say the 30′s is b.c the onvious hit on liquor especially fine liquor during this period. I wouldn’t say it’s remy. Or even made in Champagne most likely. Probably france. Like I said have an expert look at it. I have to sound like a jerk, but this is just my opinion. I think what you have is a relatively old, relatively good forgery. Ironically, these items can often times fetch more than the originals themselves depending on period, production etc ….

#20 John on Oct 1, 2011, says:

I have a full bottel of louis XIII in the original carton. i was looking around because I was thinking of selling it as is !

#21 Joe Brown on Oct 23, 2011, says:

I also have had a person tell me perhaps it was a “prototype” decanter that was made before they had perfected the technique for making the final product . I truly believe this is an original decanter because of the emails I have received from the House of Remy . I just cannot get any further information from them about possible date it was made. I will take some better quality pictures and post them soon. I will also send an email and pictures to the above mentioned museum in Holland.

#22 Dan on Jul 4, 2012, says:

finally the picture I have been waiting for from the museum, my unopened bottle of louis XIII has the same stopper in the photo contrairy to the fleur de lys. I have all the documentation and red box showing it is what was served in 1936 for the queen and again in 1957 for the king.I have not been able to get a clear value for this rare bottle of congnac because I think most have been opened already. want to get a price and buyer and sell it. Can anyone find me when and how much such a bottle has ever been sold at and for how much. perferct condition, all documentation enclosed in case for many years. http://tinyurl.com/5u352p8
is picture at holland museum.

#23 The Bag on Oct 16, 2012, says:

Hi there people,I also have a very early bottle (quote empty) Same word on the bottom depose, but the difference with mine is the fleur de leys are all finished in gold,

Ps how do I get photos on here

#24 Cognac Expert on Oct 19, 2012, says:

Thebag, hi – please just use the SUBMIT YOUR BOTTLE function at http://blog.cognac-expert.com/contact/

#25 B.Martin on Oct 25, 2012, says:

Good day friends. I have an empty ,lite green bottle, 3 1/2 in. neck 4″ base not totally round. Imprinted in glass “Federal law forbids sale or re-use of this bottle’ symbol in middle is crown above circle ooc? bottom otard dupuy&co. cognac france . no stopper, wanting to sell. Thank you for your time. will hav pic up a.s.a.p With that said , am i able to sell?

#26 Rudy on Feb 7, 2014, says:

Hello…….I have read all the comments and have not seen any mention of these decanters made by the Saint Louis Crystal of France. I just found the crystal decanter w/ the hollow stopper at an antique shop for $39.00 usd. Can anyone date these bottles? It has etched on the bottom “REMY MARTIN&Co E-SA COGNAC FRANCE O.7L Modele depose MADE IN FRANCE BY SAINT LOUIS”

#27 Michael on Feb 8, 2014, says:

Remy Martin is using Saint Louis Crystal again to make some of their newer bottles, but those would have solid crystal stoppers and the gold band around the neck of the bottle.

With the inscription under your bottle the likely age is 1925-1936. If the bottle is rather regular in shape and has 10 glass fins per side that would be my best guess.

Here is a preliminary dating table for Louis XIII cognacs that I made. It includes some data on the older bottles, including St Louis and pre-Saint Louis bottles.

http://www.vieuxcognacs.com/LouisXIII/LouisXIII.html

#28 Chris on Feb 13, 2014, says:

i just bought a bottle for 1800 dollars plus 15 % gratuity. 75 $ a shot times 24 shots = 1800$ . i will not elaborate cause i’m going to do it again in march. my liquire store in tampa has the xiii for sale for 2992$. i will be regestering my bottle through regular mail to remy in france since the email in the red book in the box does not work. after reading your comments, i’m going to save the red carrying box with handel as well. have not opened it yet. am waiting for son to visit and stepson to graduate from univ of florida in may.

regards, chris

#29 Michael on Feb 13, 2014, says:

I think Chris’s post was placed in the wrong subject.

#30 Rudy on Feb 13, 2014, says:

Thanks Michael….what a great pic display of the bottles.I don’t know much about cognac other that it taste good to the pallet. I am a glass collecter and I look for quality vintage glass and the bottle I bought had all the makings. I saw the fins and right away I thought of early glass made by the Murano glassblowers. This kind of design is an early Venini by Zecchin and Martinuzzi as I thought when I saw it and I knew I had to have it ! My guess is that this is a venetian design possibly by the Barovier family that has been making glass since the 1200′s. I will send you some pics of some of my vintage venetian glass and you will see the simularites. I know that the French made high end crystal but I also read that some of those glassblowers came from the regions of early glass factories. This is quite interesting and I will research this as much as I can…..Rudy

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